Disagreement with Trump Tracking Achieved Goals

[VirenMohindra]

Hey, I personally disagree with marking "Suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur. All vetting of people coming into our country will be considered extreme vetting." as completed, I feel that it should be in-progress. What is your reasoning behind this?

See the following:
https://www.cato.org/blog/guide-trumps-executive-order-limit-migration-national-security-reasons
Thanks!

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[iProdigy]

The United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit denied President Trump's emergency motion for a stay appeal yesterday, which also invalidates the "achieved status."

[VirenMohindra]

We've reached a fork in the road -- do we modify the status of a policy if it gets rejected by Congress or another governing body (like the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit) or do we keep it achieved because he did sign up the Executive Order and held up his end of the bargain?

Discuss

[iProdigy]

You raise a good point.

I don't think it's fair to mark it as broken considering he made an attempt.
However, I also don't think it's fair to consider it achieved as it is not actually implemented.

Rather, I believe compromised may be a more fitting label.

[VirenMohindra]

@MrLuit thoughts?

[MrLuit]

In my opinion, because Trump did exactly as he said, and he can't help that Congress rejects his plans, it should be achieved. It would be unfair to called it compromised since Trump kept his promise and that's what this site focusses on, not if the plans actually made it.

[iProdigy]

In light of the tracker's mission to watch his commitment to his promises, I would agree with @MrLuit - achieved is most appropriate.

When I suggested compromised I hadn't read the documentation closely enough and was under the misconception that it was referring to the definition "exposed to risk, danger, or discredit; damaged in reputation" rather than "subjected to, arranged or modified by, compromise."

[LivInTheLookingGlass]

At the very least, shouldn't it be "In Progress"? Among other reasons:

1. None of these countries have contributed to terror attacks in the US
2. It's being blocked in the courts

[MrLuit]

@gappleto97 Well if you think it's in progress, on which I don't agree, when is it completed?

1. Doesn't matter, if Trump makes a list of countries that are banned, than that's his right to do so.
2. Trump can't do anything about that and held his promise.

[iProdigy]

Reading the promise again, I have to disagree.

Even though Trump has made an attempt to block certain countries (that has been stopped by the judiciary), there are other "countries of concern" that haven't been addressed by Trump yet. Therefore, the promise should be in progress rather than achieved.

[LivInTheLookingGlass]

@MrLuit I feel like @iProdigy has the right idea on your first response.

As for 2) it very much matters. He did not say he would attempt to do this, he said that he would.

Think of it this way, if he had promised to increase the budget of NASA, but Congress did not accept his legislation on the matter, he would have failed that promise. At the end of the day, NASA's budget would be unchanged.

I fail to see why it's any different here.

[MrLuit]

So from the way I see it, we have two options:

• This site reflects how trustable Trump is as a person (achieved)
• This site reflects how many policies and ideas of Trump made it (in progress / compromised)

Personally, I am more interested in seeing if Trump kept his word rather than seeing if his policies were achieved and made it.

[iProdigy]

I am more interested in seeing if Trump kept his word

 

The promise states

Suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur

 

He hasn't addressed all of the countries of concern yet (so the status should be in progress).

[iProdigy]

Additionally Politifact's Trump-o-meter rates this claim as "in the works."